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			<title>Ancient Codex...</title>
			<link>http://newsaxon.org/forum/religion-44/ancient-codex/post_24327/</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quote quote_holder"><span class="quote_info">Quote:</span><div class="quote_body quote_body_holder"><div class="quote_body_content">Anyways, as Hitler once said (TELL A LIE, MAKE IT BIG AND KEEP REPEATING IT, EVENTUALLY THEY WILL BELIEVE IT</div></div></div><br /><br />Where did the Fuehrer say that?<br /><br />I know it's written all over the web, and people believed it long before there was a web, but where did it come from? Please do not think that I am calling you out. I am just wondering if this is something that "everybody knows" or if it has a documentable basis.<br /><br />I know that in Mein Kampf The Fuehrer wrote:"The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one,for they themselves lie in small things but would be ashamed to tell too great a lie...."  but that doesn't mean that He was actively endorsing lying.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 05:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Tom Schnadelbach</dc:creator>
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			<title>Ancient Codex...</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<P><FONT size=2>Just an analogy from years of study, Religion??? what a name, an occult, wide verities of interpretations...but to what end? theirs no end, at least there shouldn't be, but think about it, their hasn't been any Godly or big glorious religious events for about or over 2k yrs, I mean come on, if the Jews are the chosen ones, and 7mill were being annihilated why didn't a holy roller come in and save them, that would be an event to put into the next chapter of the living bible, what I see is a long term exposer to Zionist manipulations to keep the week minded at bay, even Martin Luther seen a problem with the religious sect, Anyways, as Hitler once said (TELL A LIE, MAKE IT BIG AND KEEP REPEATING IT, EVENTUALLY THEY WILL BELIEVE IT)....88.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Zionism is a worldly problem...they cant even come up with any thing unique, the Old Testament is a copy of the Ancient Codex tablets from a highly advance civilization...the Sumerians, from 8 millennia ago, their has been allot of info kept from the people for the soul purpose of control, here is some of the comparisons from the Sumerian codex.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sumerian Epic of Creation......</FONT></P> <P><SPAN title="WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium 'Times New Roman'; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-replaced: 0px" title=Apple-style-span mce_title="WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium 'Times New Roman'; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: #000000; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-replaced: 0px"><SPAN title="FONT-FAMILY: arial, Arial, Helvetica" title=Apple-style-span mce_title="FONT-FAMILY: arial, Arial, Helvetica"> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal mce_title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN><I>Epic of Creation</I><SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>is the<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN><B><U><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><A href="http://www.halexandria.org/dward183.htm" mce_href="http://www.halexandria.org/dward183.htm">Sumerian</A></SPAN></U></B><SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>version of how the world began and includes to some degree the formation of the other members of the solar system.<SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN>The Sumerian tale is also likely the source of the earliest chapters of the Bible&#8217;s<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN><B><U><A href="http://www.halexandria.org/dward180.htm" mce_href="http://www.halexandria.org/dward180.htm">Genesis</A></U><SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></B><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-- the latter which might be considered to be an Executive Summary of the original.<SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN>Their similarities are highlighted in<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN><B><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><U><A href="http://www.halexandria.org/dward181.htm" mce_href="http://www.halexandria.org/dward181.htm">Comparative Religions</A><SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></U></SPAN></B><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(among other places), but the fact that Genesis was written during the Hebrews&#8217; captivity in Babylon, c.<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN><B><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><U><A href="http://www.halexandria.org/dward206.htm" mce_href="http://www.halexandria.org/dward206.htm">600 B.C.E.</A></U></SPAN></B><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>(where access to the Babylonian version of the Epic was readily available) is undoubtedly important.&lt;?xml:namespace prefix = o /&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>&nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;</SPAN></P> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal mce_title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The Sumerian<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN><I>Epic of Creation</I><SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>and<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN><I>Genesis</I><SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>both have the interesting feature of being scientifically accurate in terms of what was created first.<SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN>In creating a world, you begin with energy (light), form the planet itself, divide the land from the water, grow grass, herbs, fruit (in that order), initiate day/night and seasons, create fish, fowl, cattle, creeping thing and beasts of the earth (again, in that order), until finally you create man.<SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN>Then you get really clever and create woman.<SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN>Okay, so it&#8217;s not all perfect!&lt;o:p&gt;<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>&nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;</SPAN></P> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal mce_title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">But there is also the distinction between the cosmic creation and the earthly ones.<SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN>In the Genesis version, the heavens were created separate from the Earth (by the means of a<I>firmament</I>), while the Sun and Moon were specifically mentioned as &#8220;two great lights&#8221;.<SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN>In the Sumerian version -- which is decidedly less ego-earth-centric -- all of the other planets may be considered to have been described in various stages of grouping themselves into the current arrangement.<SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN>It&#8217;s just that their names were often attributed to gods, instead of gods<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN><I>and planets.</I></SPAN></P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN title="WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium 'Times New Roman'; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-replaced: 0px" title=Apple-style-span mce_title="WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium 'Times New Roman'; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: #000000; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-replaced: 0px"><SPAN title="FONT-FAMILY: arial, Arial, Helvetica" title=Apple-style-span mce_title="FONT-FAMILY: arial, Arial, Helvetica"> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal mce_title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN><SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN>&#8220;THE FIRST TABLET&lt;o:p&gt;<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>&nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;</SPAN></P> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal mce_title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;</SPAN><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">When in the height heaven was not named</SPAN></P> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal mce_title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">And the earth beneath did not yet bear a name,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;</SPAN></P> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal mce_title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">And the primeval Apsu, who begat them,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;</SPAN></P> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal mce_title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN><SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN>And chaos, Tiamut, the mother of them both</SPAN></P> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal mce_title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Their waters were mingled together,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;</SPAN></P> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal mce_title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">And no field was formed, no marsh was to be seen;</SPAN></P> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal mce_title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">When of the gods none had been called into being,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;</SPAN></P> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal mce_title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">And none bore a name, and no destinies were ordained;</SPAN></P> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal mce_title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Then were created the gods in the midst of heaven</SPAN></P> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal mce_title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Lahmu and Lahamu were called into being...&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;</SPAN></P> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal mce_title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<SPAN title=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN>Ages increased,</SPAN></P> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal mce_title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;The Great Flood,</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">The ancient <B title="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><U><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><A href="http://newsaxon.org/forum/topic-post/id_28/topic_7471/dward183.htm">Sumerian</A></SPAN></U></B> texts describe two separate events: first a tidal wave style flood rushing over the civilized -- and supposedly uncivilized -- lands.<SPAN title="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>This sudden influx of water then resulted in a massive contribution to the hydrologic cycle, and it began raining for what seemed to be a very long time (day and night for either seven or forty days, depending whether it is the Sumerian or Genesis version).&lt;O<img src="http://newsaxon.org/file/pic/emoticon/default/tongue.png" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue" title="v_middle" />&gt; &nbsp;&lt;/O<img src="http://newsaxon.org/file/pic/emoticon/default/tongue.png" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue" title="v_middle" />&gt; </SPAN></P> <P title="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" title=MsoNormal><FONT face="arial, Arial, Helvetica"><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">In the Sumerian version, first the &#8220;waters of the flood were upon the earth.&#8221;<SPAN title="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Then, &#8220;the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up.&#8221;<SPAN title="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Then, &#8220;the windows of heaven were opened,&#8221; and it rained!<SPAN title="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Sequentially, the </SPAN><B title="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><U><A href="http://newsaxon.org/forum/topic-post/id_28/topic_7471/dward180.htm">Genesis</A></U> </B><SPAN title="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">version is the same: a rush of flood waters upon the earth, followed by the fountains of the great deep (water rising up via the hydrologic cycle), and then rain -- i.e. a flood, evaporation, and rain.&lt;O<img src="http://newsaxon.org/file/pic/emoticon/default/tongue.png" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue" title="v_middle" />&gt; &nbsp;&lt;/O<img src="http://newsaxon.org/file/pic/emoticon/default/tongue.png" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue" title="v_middle" />&gt; 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			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 05:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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